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Author:  Woodo [ 15 Apr 2018, 05:16 ]
Post subject:  Re: 300B SET Design Project

hi, i noticed this 5 volt regulator which seems to deliver a fixed 5 volts rather than needing to adjust it. has anyone had any experience using this to heat the 300b’s or other such valves? Does this have the right specifications to do the job? if so are there any benefits/disadvantages of the lm323t over the lt1085 used in this thread? thanks, woodo
https://au.mouser.com/datasheet/2/389/C ... 470641.pdf
edit: although i see it says voltage is adjustable

Author:  Suncalc [ 15 Apr 2018, 11:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: 300B SET Design Project

Woodo wrote:
Does this have the right specifications to do the job? if so are there any benefits/disadvantages of the lm323t over the lt1085 used in this thread?
Actually there is a big disadvantage; the dropout voltage.

The old LM323 design has a rather large dropout voltage which is exacerbated by increased junction temperature. There is no way a rectified 6.3VAC transformer, with rectification loss, and appropriate filtering will provide the necessary input voltage to maintain a stable 5.0v output using this regulator with appropriate design margin. Regulation margin would be severely compromised. I chose the LT1085 (new data sheet location: 108345fh.pdf) for this design due to it being first and foremost a low dropout regulator (>1.2v at Ia=1.2A) and it exhibits much better long term stability than the LM series regulators. Regulators like the LM323 require a higher input voltage, hence dissipate far more heat, and hence require a more comprehensive thermal design solution.

In post #127 to this thread (http://diyaudioprojects.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2699&start=127) I discussed at length, all the design requirements that went into the 300B filament supply design process. I would strongly suggest that anyone wanting to change the filament supply design read this post so that they understand the various tradeoffs involved.

As always, questions and comments are more than welcome.

Author:  Woodo [ 15 Apr 2018, 22:04 ]
Post subject:  Re: 300B SET Design Project

Great, thanks for the advice Matt.

Author:  Woodo [ 22 Oct 2018, 06:39 ]
Post subject:  Re: 300B SET Design Project

Suncalc wrote:
Well here it is. It's an "all Edcor" design.
Attachment:
300B Monoblock Amp.jpg
Attachment:
300B Monoblock PS.jpg

The Preamp/Driver is slightly redesigned to take advantage of the mono-block concept. The PS is universal 120v/240v and quiet. The 300B filament supply is the same. Too good to throw away.

mwhouston wrote:
I think you got out of this too lightly:
I think that one of these days I'll tell you just how much :$: I make so that you'll better appreciate the value of the Engineering services provided. ;)

Hi, has version of this amp been built? if so, how is the sound. thanks.

Author:  THD+N [ 15 Nov 2018, 22:36 ]
Post subject:  Re: 300B SET Design Project

I purchased a Music Angel 300B in Hong Kong in 2010. When I tested it on the bench, it was not very impressive, which was not a surprise and I bought it with the intention of using it for a "test bed". The price was reasonable, so I bought it.

As it is today (per the schematic), it sounds very good. It is very quiet, dynamic and overall has a good tonal quality to it.

Some of the voltages and part values may look odd (i.e. choke values, etc), but that is because that is what was in the amp when I bought it. I threw out all the stock resistors, caps (except 2) and wire.

The original design was a 3 stage integrated amp design. I don't usually build integrated designs for myself, so I turned this into a 2 stage design for use with a preamp.

When new, the amp used 450V capacitors in the power supply for the CLC section. When the amp was turned on before the output tubes would start to conduct, the voltage on the CLC section would rise right up to 450V for a few seconds and then drop. The two 68 ohm rectifier plate resistors reduced this voltage at start-up. Down the road as tinkering progressed, I bought all new caps, but never took out the rectifier plate resistors. Since the first cap is 56uF, those plate resistors limit current just enough that the 56uF cap does not cause any issues.

In the filament circuit the two 6800uF caps are originals and looked like they were decent, so I continued to use them. If you are going to build this 300B design, I would use at least 10,000uF. They are only a little more than the 6800uF's. I used LM317K's (T0-3 case) since I have a good stash of them.

The SRPP stage easily drives the 300B to 7 Watts RMS output @ 5%THD. Depending on the output tubes, your mileage may vary. I am using standard Shuguang 300B's with brown base and I have a mix of Chinese, Russian and USA NOS 6SL7GT's. The 5Z3 is a USA NOS RCA. The amp came with an octal 5Z3P (Chinese 5U4G), but it shorted out within a short time so I swapped out the octal socket for a four pin socket.

The James transformers put the final touches on the amp... they are very nice transformers. Too bad they stopped making this series. If I had known they were going away, I would have bought a few more pairs.

Author:  THD+N [ 15 Nov 2018, 22:42 ]
Post subject:  Re: 300B SET Design Project

Signal to Noise Ratio @ 1 Watt unweighted.

Author:  Woodo [ 01 Mar 2019, 05:17 ]
Post subject:  Re: 300B SET Design Project

Suncalc wrote:
Great news! :D

I just completed my filament supply prototyping work and have confirmed the ability of the LT1085 to handle the cold heater startup. I also learned a few things about the regulator and the supply circuit in the process. Here is the prototype board I built to test my circuit....


I went ahead and bought the components for this regulated supply for my pcb based amp which doesn’t include the lt1085 circuitry while ordering components for a future 12au7/6as7 amp of Matt’s design. I am planning on making some other mods to my 300b amp in line with the monoblock design in this thread (gulp). Would it be ok to use the perforated board in the prototype of @suncalc or some other means of putting together this circuit? It’s difficult to see exactly how the circuit was assembled by @mwhouston from the pics. May have been soldered to terminal strips? Any advice appreciated. Regards...

Edit: my apologies I found Mark's pics of underneath the silver dragon showing the detail

Author:  Woodo [ 26 Apr 2019, 06:34 ]
Post subject:  Re: 300B SET Design Project

Suncalc wrote:
Well here it is. It's an "all Edcor" design.
Attachment:
300B Monoblock Amp.jpg
Attachment:
300B Monoblock PS.jpg

The Preamp/Driver is slightly redesigned to take advantage of the mono-block concept. The PS is universal 120v/240v and quiet. The 300B filament supply is the same. Too good to throw away.

mwhouston wrote:
I think you got out of this too lightly:
I think that one of these days I'll tell you just how much :$: I make so that you'll better appreciate the value of the Engineering services provided. ;)


Hi, a couple of queries i have about the above circuit i hope can be answered. would it be possible to use a 100k potentiometer instead the 250k one intended? i have a 100k pot from the last version but no problem to order one however i notice not too much choice on mouser unless i am looking at the wrong spot. Jay car doesn’t seem to have one here. Also will i need to alter any component values if my transformer secondary voltage is 380v instead of the 400v used in the above circuit. Thanks.

Author:  ILoveHiFi [ 29 Apr 2019, 01:43 ]
Post subject:  Re: 300B SET Design Project

viewtopic.php?p=20139#p20139
I see zero 250k pots show me the schematic

Author:  Woodo [ 29 Apr 2019, 01:58 ]
Post subject:  Re: 300B SET Design Project

ILoveHiFi wrote:
http://diyaudioprojects.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?p=20139#p20139
I see zero 250k pots show me the schematic

Hi Koichi. Apologies for my poor quoting. I was referring to Matts monoblock design on page 33
At this link viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2699&start=320#p28729 in which there is a pot after the first 6sn7 triode stage. I should be able to work this out by now but still have trouble with ohms law, operating points etc. more to study.

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