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PostPosted: 06 Jul 2011, 01:10 
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When they make 'em in China :evil:

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My shipment came from a wholesaler that got them straight from Hammond - no bait-and-switch. They sold us out or something?

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PostPosted: 06 Jul 2011, 12:13 
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It is sad and true. If I am not mistaken, China Panfeng Electronics makes the transformers for Hammond now.

For the past several years I have seen a trend of North American DIYers moving away from the traditional Hammond transformers for tube projects and turning to the USA made Edcor transformers. Hard to blame them for making the switch when you consider the seemingly better quality and lower prices for Edcor iron.

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PostPosted: 06 Jul 2011, 16:36 
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Aw man!

Looks like I've lucked out and got Canadian leftovers until now :(

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Unfortunately it's true, we have had parts built in China.

It was about 3 years ago that we had to start looking. Competitive pressures.

It will be limited to simple power transformers. Mostly pin mounted but some lead connected parts.

No audio transformers or parts with any complexity.

If it means anything, we have approved only 2 locations ( 1 for small and 1 for large parts ) that were recommended and we checked out in person.

So far , all has gone well.

You can send me an e-mail to find out if the parts you need have been transferred.

We can always build parts here in Canada buy request. We have a modified part number to indicate Canada made.

Hope this helps.


That transformer (pictured) sure runs smokin' hot too and I'm not even at the full 3A :eek:

Problem is, Edcor doesn't make the auxilliary iron I use for tube builds (filament, control power for SS modules, SMALL chokes)

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PostPosted: 07 Jul 2011, 23:13 
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Yeah, I just discovered that myself while sourcing a small PCB mounted PT for a revised full-wave power supply for my K301 phono preamp project. I was shopping Mouser for a 36VA (36V @ 1A) power transformer. Yep, made in China! What a bummer! :bawling:


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PostPosted: 08 Jul 2011, 01:58 
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If I'm buying China, I'll go Tamura or Triad - a heckuvalot cheaper!
(and no nutty 50C rises above ambient at ratings)

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PostPosted: 10 Jul 2011, 20:59 
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That's just awful in my opinion, those Hammond transformers look fake, and look just as cheap as the ones you would find in some $50 stereo. Ok, maybe this is a good thing for some companies who want to buy large quantities of transformers for their products and don't want to spend as much for Canadian made ones, but what's the point in having the Hammond name on it if it isn't the same quality of product?

I have always proudly purchase Hammond products for the fact that I know some one here in Canada still has a well paying job of making really good transformers for a living. Versus the hundreds of companies who have decided to lay of all of their workers and move their production lines down south or to some place in Asia to make cheap products with cheap labour on a mass production line. :worried:

I sure hope the guys at Hammond now how many DIYers will decide to move on and find cheaper better maid products if they go the rout of cheap mass production for, which on an upside might make more profit. But they will lose their large number of individuals such as me who enjoys buying there products such as transformers for the reason that they are not cheaply mass produced in some 3rd nation country and are in fact made with care right here in good old Canada where the gold rush for high quality transformers once began. :)

I got a bit carried away here, but tell me if it is not true for the rout that many good companies have turned towards. That or they just vanish, often leaving behind a trail of no longer made high quality products or rare parts that become to rare or valuable for the average person to afford if you get my drift. ;)

I guess the good news is that Hammond will still make their transformers in Canada on request, which will always be the case when I order one, even if it costs me a few :$: more. :smoking:

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PostPosted: 11 Jul 2011, 12:14 
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Sadly, even though the HAMMOND is now Chinese made, it is still slightly more expensive than the equivalent TRIAD or TAMURA. Guess I'll be gettin' a TRIAD instead. I'm not about to pay more just because it's got the "H" monogram! Those guys at Hammond need to realize that just because they have their monogram on some cheap Chinese crap doesn't make it better. I trusted Hammond because I knew their quality and reputation. Now they use some Chinese factory? I didn't buy Hammond for the monogram!

Does this change affect their "encased" power transformers or just the "open frame" types?

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PostPosted: 11 Jul 2011, 12:35 
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OMG! This is so bad! :(

Please forgive me, but I hate Chinese made goods!


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PostPosted: 11 Jul 2011, 21:23 
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HT Performance wrote:
OMG! This is so bad! :(

Please forgive me, but I hate Chinese made goods!

The sad thing is that products coming from China could be made just as good as those made locally, but because of costs involved in doing so and the fact that large businesses and companies care more about profit and staying ahead of the competition than the overall quality of products. They much rather spend money on adds and ways of persuading the customer into buying that product that cost $1 per item to manufacture for the company to be sold for a price of $50 to the customer.

This is my perspective, and tell me if I am wrong, but large companies such as LG, Samsung, Acer, Sony, etc... even Apple gets their meterials from China. I am sure all have the same sort of thing in mind and can't wait to bring out that new product exported fresh from the production line in China. :lildevil:

So, yes, HT this is bad, and just maybe if Hammond reads this thread, they might rethink their future plans. ;)

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CrazzyAbtTubes wrote:
The sad thing is that products coming from China could be made just as good as those made locally, but because of costs involved in doing so and the fact that large businesses and companies care more about profit and staying ahead of the competition than the overall quality of products.


Agreed.

I have a bit of experience working with manufacturers with Chinese factories and they say in order to have USA quality, they literally need to be micromanaged. The workers can be very good, well educated and stuff, but are very literal. My buddy with the factory thinks it's a cultural thing, so forget trying to train it out of the worker.

How long did it take the Japanese to figure this out? A dang long time, but now look at them go! (earthquakes, tsunamis and Godzilla aside)

But I have some good news :D :D :D

I'be been chatting with Brian Weston about this situation. Seems many others have too.

Announced on Facebook today:
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A number of people have asked about a low voltage power transformer for tubes and power supplies. So, we have designed a new program for designing these types of transformers. This new series will be called the LVP (Low Voltage Power). At present the VA limit is about 40VA. The new series will come in 115V, 120V, 230V and 240V version. We hope to have the new series listed on our website by the beginning of August.


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