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PostPosted: 20 Apr 2010, 10:26 
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I found some info on a forum about cleaning vinyl LPs that was interesting.

Polyvinyl acrylate based wood glue, or PVA glue, better known as carpenters wood glue.

You cover the record surface, let it dry until it can be peeled off (don't leave it on too long) and peel it off. Supposedly it removes particles of dirt that are stuck or adhering to the grooves that other methods don't, and it's CHEAP AND EASY.

Has anybody tired this? It actually sounds like it would work.

They recommend Franklin's Titebond II, sold at Home Depot for $16 a GALLON. That's a lot of clean (or ruined?) records.

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sampleaccurate wrote:
carpenters wood glue.
Supposedly it removes particles of dirt that are stuck or adhering to the grooves that other methods don't, and it's CHEAP AND EASY.

Hi.

Why you make things so complicted. I would NEVER add any chemical to clean my vinyls.
Glue to take out the grooves dirts???? No way, Jose!

Even if this glue works, are you going to glue it everytime when you hear dirt noise afterwards? I beg you yr records will be damaged sooner than you can imagine.

Email me for a very very easy & simple way. NO chemicals needed !!!

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Why you make things so complicted. I would NEVER add any chemical to clean my vinyls.
Glue to take out the grooves dirts???? No way, Jose!

Even if this glue works, are you going to glue it everytime when you hear dirt noise afterwards? I beg you yr records will be damaged sooner than you can imagine.

Email me for a very very easy & simple way. NO chemicals needed !!!

I PMd you and no answer yet. Like I said, I'll try anything.

However, after reading about this method I'm going to try it on at least one LP that is unlistenable and replaceable. It looks perfect, but it's crackles like crazy. It may not be static. It may be tiny pieces of dirt or silica stuck in the grooves.

One good thing is this method doesn't abrade the record. There is a lot of microscopic silica dust in this area of the country and using a liquid to remove it risks creating scratches in the grooves by moving these particles around on the surface.

The chemical composition of the glue supposedly has no reaction chemically with the surface of the record. There isn't one person I can find that ruined a record. Most people are raving about it on the forums. Records that looked clean but were full of pops and crackles were turned into dead quiet brand new sounding albums.

You just cover the record surface with about 35 grams of glue (a little over an ounce), let it dry a few hours until clear, and peel it off.

Sounds like a possible winner to me. I have several albums that LOOK perfect, but the crackling is intolerable.

If it works I'll let you know. As far as cleaning it every time, it's more of a method to get rid of years of accumulated stuff that won't come off, not to remove dust each time you play it. It also won't remove dried liquids that are sugar based, etc. but for microscopic particles of sand or silica or dust that are trapped it suppoedly works better than even expensive cleaning machines.

My plan is to dissolve any water based gunk in distilled water, then use the glue, then rinse in distilled water again.

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cheap-Jack wrote:
Email me for a very very easy & simple way. NO chemicals needed !!!

Please post your record / LP cleaning method, I would like to see it too.
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PostPosted: 20 Apr 2010, 12:23 
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cheap-Jack wrote:
Email me for a very very easy & simple way. NO chemicals needed !!!

Gio wrote:
Please post your record / LP cleaning method, I would like to see it too.

He says it would be too controversial and start a mud slinging match.

I disagree. I've found people in this forum to be very polite and open minded with a "live and let live" attitude that "if it works for you and you like it, DO IT!".

Any thoughts on the glue method?

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Gio wrote:
record / LP cleaning method

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Okay. Here you go.

As I posted previously, before playing any recyled or new vinyls I just purchased, I use only distilled water to rince them thoroughly & scrub them gently with lint free cloth. Then hang them up drip dry.

To kill the static noises due to stylus/groove friction during playing, I play them WET after applying a thin layer of distilled water on the tracks to be played.

Despite many many LP fans strongly reject such wet play, citing damaging the stylus, blah, blah.., I tried this way since day one I started vinyl years back. I find it works, not only completely silent any static groove noises, but also the music sounds mroe live & fluid than any dry play.

After so many years now, I don't hear any slightest, if any at all, damage done to my cheapie no-name MM cartridge/stylus. Music sounds superb everytime I play my LPs wet with distilled water since day one.. NO chemicals added.

Mind you, my audio den is in my basement, 10ft underground. So dead quiet that I am sometimes sorta disturbed by the clicking of the quartz wall clock hung at the front wall behind my audio racks & the loudspeakers. I can hear any quietest noises from wherever inside my 750 sq.ft basement den,
Yet I hear nothing from my vinly tracking.

I know I've already upset many LP fans who own costly record cleaning machines which they assume indispensable & keep on spending in cleaning chemicals.

I think I beat conventional wisdoms once more.

c-J

PS: distilled water can be picked up in bulk plastic drums cheaply from any grocery stores.

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cheap-Jack wrote:
As I posted previously, before playing any recyled or new vinyls I just purchased, I use only distilled water to rince them thoroughly & scrub them gently with lint free cloth. Then hang them up drip dry.

To kill the static noises due to stylus/groove friction during playing, I play them WET after applying a thin layer of distilled water on the tracks to be played.

Despite many many LP fans strongly reject such wet play, citing damaging the stylus, blah, blah.., I tried this way since day one I started vinyl years back. I find it works, not only completely silent any static groove noises, but also the music sounds mroe live & fluid than any dry play.

After so many years now, I don't hear any slightest, if any at all, damage done to my cheapie no-name MM cartridge/stylus. Music sounds superb everytime I play my LPs wet with distilled water since day one.. NO chemicals added.

Mind you, my audio den is in my basement, 10ft underground. So dead quiet that I am sometimes sorta disturbed by the clicking of the quartz wall clock hung at the front wall behind my audio racks & the loudspeakers. I can hear any quietest noises from wherever inside my 750 sq.ft basement den,
Yet I hear nothing from my vinly tracking.

I know I've already upset many LP fans who own costly record cleaning machines which they assume indispensable & keep on spending in cleaning chemicals.

PS: distilled water can be picked up in bulk plastic drums cheaply from any grocery stores.

Hmmmm.

I don’t see why that would damage a record or a stylus. My initial thought would be concern over the water dampening (not the wet kind) the response of the needle, especially on high frequencies, since the viscosity of water is tremendously higher than air. BUT, perhaps this effect is negligible or non-existent.

I don’t see any harm in trying it. And I’ll let you know how that glue works out.

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Some pics of the wood glue cleaning method:

http://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/index.php?topic=320.0

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sampleaccurate wrote:
the water dampening (not the wet kind) the response of the needle, especially on high frequencies, since the viscosity of water is tremendously higher than air. BUT, perhaps this effect is negligible or non-existent.

HI.

Yes, I had the same feeling before I tried play wet. But it has proven I worried too much as it is "non-existent".

The stylus point pressure & the dragging momentum of the platter push away the water at the point of contact, yet retaining the mosture to kill the groove statics.

In fact, the HF sounds so much more transparent & dynamic that dry play, due to, IMO, the eliminaton of electrostatics generated by the groove/stylus tip tracking contact, which would indeed affect the movement of the stylus.

A record cleaning machine provides the same function of providing moistures to the stylus/groove contact, but for a very high cost to own one (unless we DIY build one) & for-ever spending in getting cleaning detergents let alone the hassle of cleaning the records all the time & filling/draining the cleaning machine..

The first person to smile bigtime is not the owner of a record cleaning machine but the vendor who sells the expensive cleaning machine as well as the cleaning detergents for ever.

Now, I can't go without wet play as I just love the dynamic & fluid sound it provides. Easy to work with & costless to maintain as I homebrew the distilled water for my vinyl cleaning for nothing.

For year-long dry climate in Vegas, why not try wet play to see if it works for you???

c-J

PS: Guess how I homebrew distilled water???

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I have a water distiller. I got it at Sears for about $150 and it works great. I calculate the cost per gallon to be about 5 cents (US) for the electricity used.

I'll try it.

I'm still planning on trying the glue, possibly tonight.

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